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If the answer is a static number like "3 sets of 10," you are leaving gains on the table. Volume—the total amount of work performed—is the primary driver of hypertrophy, assuming intensity is sufficient. But volume is not a scalar; it is a dynamic range that shifts based on your recovery capacity.

Dr. Mike Israetel formalized this into landmarks. Understanding them prevents you from wasting time doing too little (junk volume) or hurting yourself doing too much (overtraining).

This is the floor. It is surprisingly low. You can maintain muscle mass with as little as 6 hard sets per body part per week.

 Muscle tissue is metabolically expensive. The body wants to shed it. However, the signal required to 

 tissue is much lower than the signal required to 

 Powerlifters reduce accessory volume to MV to focus recovery on S/B/D.

 When work/family stress peaks, drop to MV. You won't lose gains, and you won't burnout.

 Dropping to MV for a block can resensitize muscle to volume, making future growth phases more effective.

This is the threshold where measurable growth begins. Anything below this is maintenance; anything above it is growth.

 Many lifters stay here forever. They do just enough to get a pump (3 sets of 10, comfortable weight), but never enough to force adaptation.

 If you are getting a pump, but you are barely sore and recover fully within 24 hours, you are likely hovering around MEV.

This is the "sweet spot." It is the range where you make the fastest progress. Crucially, 

 As you become adapted to a volume, your MAV shifts upward.

 You might start a mesocycle doing 12 sets (MEV). By week 4, you might need 16 sets to get the same disruption. By week 6, maybe 20.

 You have great pumps, measurable soreness that dissipates just in time for the next session, and performance is increasing week over week.

The ceiling. Beyond this point, you cannot recover. Systemic fatigue accumulates faster than local adaptation. Performance drops, sleep suffers, and joints ache.

 Most "hardcore" lifters live here, constantly overreached, wondering why they aren't growing. They mistake "feeling trashed" for "growing."

Note: I personally spent 3 years without gains living in this area. I would improve the first month of training, Flat line the second and get worse the third

- Performance regression (you get weaker).

The Accumulation Strategy: Programming the Wave

The following is a example program in the the style Mike Israteal would program. Ive personally tried it for more bodybuilding stlye programming. Start with Something that gets you slightly sore but is easy and increase each week with enough to keep disruption from training each week.

 10 sets. (e.g., 3 sets Bench, 3 sets Incline, 4 sets Flyes). RPE 7. Establish baseline.

 12 sets. Add 1 set to Incline and Flyes. RPE 7-8.

 14 sets. Add weight or sets. RPE 8. You should feel significant fatigue.

 16-18 sets. High effort. RPE 9. You are pushing the envelope.

 20 sets (Approaching MRV). Go hard. You will feel battered by the end of this week. Performance might even stall slightly.

 6 sets (MV). Drop fatigue. This allows the supercompensation from the previous weeks to manifest.

Pesonally I dont like this style for powerlifting however and prefer an emergent strategies style of programming where I dont change anything during the block and only increase or decrease volume block to block. I would however recommend in for purely hyperthropy oriented training.

None of this matters if you are training like a coward. "Effective" sets must be taken close to failure (RPE 7-9).

 Doing 20 sets of 10 with a weight you could lift 20 times is not "high volume." It is cardio.

 If you finish a set and could have done 5 more reps with good form, that set 

 toward your volume landmarks. It was warm-up.

Practical Application: What This Looks Like in the Gym

 Not just "Bench." Log "Bench: 3 sets @ RPE 8."

 (Yes -&gt; Keep doing what you're doing).

 If your bench press is stalling and your shoulders hurt, the answer is almost never "do more benching." It is "drop to MEV, let the inflammation subside, and rebuild."

Quantitative Programming: MEV, MAV, and MRV

For decades, bodybuilders preached "the squeeze." The peak contraction—the top of the curl, the lockout of the leg extension—was where the magic happened.

Recent research has shifted the consensus toward 

. The bottom of the rep—the deep stretch—is the most anabolic portion of the range of motion. If you are cutting your reps short at the bottom to "keep tension," you are cutting your gains.

 When muscle fibers are loaded while lengthened, the body adapts by adding sarcomeres (contractile units) in series. The muscle gets longer and thicker.

 A giant protein filament that acts like a spring inside the muscle. In deep stretches, titin contributes passive tension—signaling growth pathways that active tension alone misses.

 Constant tension in the lengthened position restricts blood flow and increases local metabolic stress.

 Mechanical stretch triggers insulin-like growth factor 1, a potent anabolic signal.

This understanding has led to the rise of 

—performing reps only in the bottom half of the movement.

 Why spend energy on the lockout where there is almost no tension? Keep all your effort in the stretched portion where the growth signal is highest.

 Studies comparing full ROM to lengthened partials consistently show equal or superior hypertrophy for the partial group, particularly in the quads, hamstrings, and biceps.

Not all exercises allow for stretch-mediated growth. You need the resistance to be high 

* Shoulder extended behind you stretches the long head of the biceps.

* Stretches the long head of the triceps.

* Zero resistance at the stretch—gravity pulls straight down while the arm is vertical.

* Max tension at contraction, almost none at stretch.

* Often limited by torso stability before the lats reach a deep stretch.

Full ROM is still needed for functional strength, joint health, and powerlifting. But for pure hypertrophy accessory work:

 Deep squats beat heavy half-squats. Full stretch on flyes beats heavy half-reps.

 Lower slowly (2–3 seconds) into the stretch. Pause for a beat at the bottom. Do not drop into the hole.

 Do your normal set of curls. When you can no longer complete a full rep, continue with partial reps in the bottom half until you can't move the weight at all. You have now fully exhausted the most anabolic portion of the range.

Modern Hypertrophy: Stretch-Mediated Growth

Training is a transaction. You pay with fatigue, and you buy adaptation.

 is your ROI calculator. How much growth are you getting for every unit of fatigue this exercise generates?

If you are "hardcore" but small, you probably have a portfolio full of bad investments.

High systemic fatigue, high joint stress, low local muscle stimulation.

Example: Conventional deadlift for hypertrophy.

Cost:* Crushes the central nervous system, compresses the spine, takes 4–5 days to recover from.

Benefit:* Hits hamstrings and glutes, but the lower back often gives out before the legs do.

Verdict:* Terrible for pure hypertrophy. Essential for strength sport if it's your sport.

Low systemic fatigue, high local muscle stimulation, safe failure point.

Cost:* Zero axial (spinal) load. The machine handles stability.

Benefit:* You can take your quads to absolute mechanical failure, do drop sets, do partials.

Verdict:* Excellent for hypertrophy. You recover faster and can train again sooner.

 do the low SFR movements—squat, bench, deadlift—because they are the sport. You cannot win a meet on the leg press.

But they should not use the big three exclusively for hypertrophy work.

 5×10 squats followed by 5×10 deadlifts.

 Lower back is fried. Knees hurt. Sleep 10 hours and wake up tired. No energy left for isolation work.

The big lifts earn their place in the program. They shouldn't double as your hypertrophy tools.

Bodybuilders have no mandatory lifts. They can cut low SFR exercises without consequence.

Why barbell row (high lower back fatigue) when you can chest-supported row (zero lower back fatigue)?

Why barbell squat when you can pendulum squat?

Look at your accessory work. Are you doing exercises that exhaust you systemically but fail to isolate the target muscle?

 When you fail a set, what gave out first?

 (e.g., quads in a leg extension) → High SFR. Keep it.

 (e.g., lower back in a bent-over row) → Low SFR. Replace it with a chest-supported row.

 (e.g., running out of breath in a high-rep squat) → Low SFR. Replace it with the leg press.

 Barbell squat → hack squat / leg press.

 Barbell row → chest-supported T-bar row.

 Close-grip bench → cable pressdown / skullcrusher.

Not All Exercises Are Worth It

. There is a physiological limit to how much anabolic signaling a muscle can receive in a single session. Once you cross that threshold, you are doing "junk volume"—work that generates fatigue without stimulating further adaptation.

The relationship between volume (hard sets) and hypertrophy is not linear; it is curvilinear.

 Mechanical tension initiates the signaling cascade.

 After a certain number of effective sets, the mTOR pathways become saturated. More tension does not turn the dial up further.

 Every set—effective or not—generates metabolic waste, muscle damage, and central fatigue.

Weekly sets per muscle | Classification | Efficiency | Who it suits

 | Maintenance dose | Very high | Injured athletes, busy professionals, in-season

 | Low volume / high intensity | High | Novices, strength-focused powerlifters

 | Optimal hypertrophy | Moderate | Intermediates, bodybuilders

 | Maximal overload | Low | Advanced / elite

 for a muscle provide roughly 60–70% of the total possible growth stimulus from a session. This is why minimalist training works surprisingly well.

Moving from 5 to 10 sets adds meaningful growth.

 more, but the cost per unit of muscle grows significantly. You work twice as hard for roughly 10% more result.

Chest day looks like this: Flat bench (5×10), incline dumbbell (5×10), decline machine (4×12), cable flies (4×15), pec deck (4×15), push-ups to failure. Roughly 25 sets.

By set 12, the chest is fully pumped, glycogen is depleted, and motor unit recruitment is dropping due to peripheral fatigue. Sets 13–25 increase cortisol and muscle damage markers without increasing protein synthesis. Recovery takes 5–7 days, which means the next chest session is limited before it even starts.

Flat dumbbell press (3 sets, RPE 9), incline barbell (3 sets, RPE 8), weighted dip (3 sets, RPE 9). Nine sets total.

Every set is performed with freshness and mechanical tension. Because you only did 9 sets, you recover in 48 hours. You can hit chest again later in the week for another 6–8 quality sets.

Result: 15–18 high-quality sets spread across the week, each with a strong stimulus—versus 25 low-quality sets crammed into one session where half of them were junk.

Volume is a tool. Distribute it intelligently.

Why Doing More Sets Stops Working

Compound exercises are exercises that work multiple muscle groups at the same time. Examples include the squat, deadlift, and bench press. Isolation exercises, on the other hand, focus on working a single muscle group. Examples include the bicep curl and leg extension. Both types of exercises have their own benefits and can be used in a well-rounded workout routine. Compound exercises tend to induce a larger stimulus for muscle growth but at the cost of higher fatigue, while isolation exercises let you do more total training when added to the right places.

Compound exercises have several benefits, including:

More total muscle mass used: Compound exercises engage multiple muscle groups at the same time, leading to a greater amount of muscle mass used and an overall larger muscle growth stimulus.

Improved functional strength: Compound exercises usually use fundamental human movements patterns, such as a squat or a press. This means that there often will be a larger carryover to sports or everyday activities.

More efficient workout: Since compound exercises work multiple muscle groups at the same time, you can get a full-body workout in less time than if you did isolation exercises for each muscle group. Assuming you aren't too strong.

It's also worth noting that compound exercises are generally considered to be more demanding than isolation exercises, and therefore they may require more preparation and recovery time.

Isolation exercises have several benefits, including:

Targeted muscle growth: Isolation exercises focus on working a single muscle group, making it easier to target specific areas for muscle growth. This can help you bring up muscle groups that don't get much work from compound movements.

Isolation exercises are often less demanding than compound movements and they will allow you to get more training to muscle groups that can tolerate larger training loads. (squatting and deadlifting might cause a lot of spinal erector fatigue, but the quads might be able to take more training load etc.)

A good training program will usually combine the use of isolation and compound work if the goal is to maximize hypertrophy results. It's also worth noting that isolation exercises are generally considered less demanding than compound exercises, and therefore they may require less preparation and recovery time.

Factors to consider when deciding between compound and isolation exercises

When deciding between compound and isolation exercises, there are several factors to consider:

Goals: Consider what you want to achieve from your workout. If you want to improve strength in specific movements or work a large amount of muscle mass at the cost of more fatigue, compound exercises may be more beneficial. If you want to target specific muscle groups to get a bit more training stimuli, isolation exercises may be more appropriate.

Time: If you have limited time for your workout, compound exercises can be more efficient as they work multiple muscle groups at the same time.

Experience and fitness level: as you get stronger compound lifts become more and more demanding and some benefits can be gained by doing more isolation work.

Injury: If you have an injury, isolation exercises or variations of compounds may be more appropriate as they may allow you to work specific muscle groups with less or even without feeling pain.

Recovery: Consider the time you have to recover after a workout. Compound exercises are more demanding and may require more recovery time.

Training split: If you're following a specific training split, you may want to use a combination of both compound and isolation exercises.

Ultimately, the best approach will depend on your individual goals and fitness level. A well-rounded workout routine should include a combination of both compound and isolation exercises to target different muscle groups and achieve optimal results.

Tips for incorporating both types of exercises into your workout routine

Here are some tips for incorporating both compound and isolation exercises into your workout routine:

Prioritize exercises with a large stimulus magnitude: Some exercises will cause a larger muscle growth stimulus. Think squats and deadlifts etc. Often these movements are compound movements that move large amounts of load and will cause disruption in a large amount of muscle mass.

Use isolation exercises to complement compound exercises: Isolation exercises can be used to target specific muscle groups, and this can be used to complement compound movements. One can for example get more quad training by using a leg extension after the stabilizer muscles have been fatigued from squatting.

: To continue to see results, it's important to progressively increase the weight, reps, or difficulty in your exercises over time.

Focus on proper form: Proper form is crucial to be able to track progress over time. It allows you to move more efficiently and deliver training stimulus to the muscles you want to work and keep the fatigue of assisting structures lower.

Apply strategic variation: Mixing up your workout routine can help to prevent boredom, avoid overuse injuries and use exercises that are currently the most stimulating for you. When an exercise starts feeling stale, progression is lacking and etc. Trying different exercises and switching up the order in which you do them might help improve the results from training.

If one becomes too strong in a compound exercise. It is possible to keep using the exercises, by pre-fatiguing the targeted muscles with an isolation movement first.

By incorporating both compound and isolation exercises, you can target different muscle groups and achieve optimal results. Remember to listen to your body and adapt your workout routine as needed.

In conclusion, both compound and isolation exercises have their own benefits and should be incorporated into a well-rounded workout program. Compound exercises work multiple muscle groups at the same time, inducing a larger stimulus for muscle growth but at the cost of higher fatigue. On the other hand, isolation exercises target specific muscle groups, making it easier to bring up muscle groups that don't get much work from compound movements.


When deciding between compound and isolation exercises, consider your goals, time, experience and fitness level, injury, recovery, and training split. Prioritizing exercises with a large stimulus magnitude, using isolation exercises to complement compound exercises, applying progressive overload, focusing on proper form, and applying strategic variation are some tips for incorporating both types of exercises into your workout routine. Ultimately, the best approach will depend on your individual goals and fitness level, and it's important to listen to your body and adapt your workout routine as needed.

Should I do compound or isolation exercises first?

If you want to get stronger or build muscle mass, improving is the most important thing. This is due to the principle of 

. Over time the absolute amount of training we do needs to increase. We need to do more reps, lift more weight, do more sets or make things harder. But when should you progress, and how do you do it for the best results?


The main goal of this article will be to suggest a better way to load, rep, and set progression. The method I suggest is inspired by Dr. Mike Israetel. It has the advantage of autoregulation

and personalization. Instead of a traditional static bro program, it also has the advantage of emerging around the lifter's current ability to perform and recover.


I think that progression for hypertrophy training is way more open-ended than if the goal is strength. The goal when training for hypertrophy is to produce 

Progression can be done in many different ways. But as long as we mainly train with weights we will usually have to add reps, weight, and sets.


A popular way to progress in training is what some would call dynamic double progression

It is a strategy I mainly deem useful for novices, but effective nonetheless.

In this type of progression, you pick a rep range for the lifts, let's say 8-12 reps. You then choose a starting weight that falls in that range. Every time you can complete a set at the end of the range, in this case, 12+ reps, you increase the weight next week.

This type of programming can be great for novices. But for stronger and more advanced lifters it may introduce some problems.

Not Increasing sets and leaving gains on the table

No autoregulation may cause excessive fatigue

No periodization or fatigue management may slow or halt progress


Let's talk about how I think we can remedy these problems.


 that training 0-3 reps away from failure might not give worse results than training to failure. For this reason, introducing a way to measure how hard we train is useful. I suggest using autoregulate either in the form of 

Training at lower intensity may allow us to do more training. Which, may lead to better results. Since there is a 

However, hypertrophy science is limited at best, and we might not have the full picture. For this reason, we will also sometimes train closer to RPE 9-10. We will talk more about this when we get to the periodization.


We know gains are correlated with total training volume. That is the number of hard sets between 5-30 reps. On top of this our ability to recover from volume also increases pretty fast.

This means that in week one we might be able to tolerate and adapt to 3 sets of an exercise. While in week 2 we can handle 4 sets. By week 3 the 3 sets might even be too little to elicit a great stimulus.

To solve this problem we should add sets from week to week as we get better at tolerating volume. We keep doing this until we are no longer able to recover and improve from the amount of training we are doing. We should then deload and start again with a lower volume.

A good starting place is to find a number of sets where the muscle we are training gets a pump and feels some amount of disruption.

We can then add a set next week if the muscle is recovered the next time it is trained. If the muscle isn't recovered and is still sore, don't add a set or even remove one if the DOMS are bad.

We are now ready to bring it all together in a periodized fashion. That is, we are going to plan our progression through a mesocycle. At the start of a mesocycle, we are fresh out of a deload. Our systemic fatigue is low, and at the same time, we are very sensitive to training stimuli.

This means that we hardly need to do any training to progress. We can utilize this to start training as easily as possible. That means relatively low volume and intensity. We start with enough sets at RPE 6-7 to feel a pump or light disruption. That is enough training to get a response.

Each week we increase either weight or reps of each exercise enough to increase the RPE by one. If we feel fresh next time we train a muscle, we add a set to the last workout, next week. If we feel a little sore we keep the sets where they are. If we feel very sore we remove sets next week.

We keep doing this until we cannot increase performance from one week to the next. That is when we hit failure, RPE 10, or even for some compound lifts RPE 9. By doing this we get all our training in an intensity range we know is stimulating for muscle growth. In the last week, we also touch on those super high efforts, just in case the current research is missing something and training to failure carries benefits we don’t know yet.

We then deload and start all over with a new mesocycle.

Instead of using progression styles such as dynamic double progression, reverse pyramid training, or whatever buzzword is currently used for a set and rep scheme, you can get more out of your training by adjusting more parameters. In this case relative effort (reps and weight) and sets. On top of this, the periodization and fatigue management in form of deloads allow us to train at a much higher average intensity compared to if we train in a way that does not accumulate fatigue.

Bringing all this together the accumulated training over months and years will end up combining into much more stimulus and over time also much more muscle mass and gains.

How to progress for better gains in the gym

We all have our reason to get more jacked. Maybe you want to look better naked, because you watched Conan the Barbarian, lift heavy things because being strong is cool and useful, or maybe you simply want to be more healthy. All these reasons might motivate you to start resistance training to get jacked. In this article, we will talk about what causes muscle growth so you can get as best results possible.

How do we send the signal that our bodies need to build muscle? There are usually three referred to leading causes of hypertrophy stimuli.

will be the main cause of muscle growth in most training. This is what is caused when your muscles produce force and what happens in most straight sets in training. As the reps are taken closer to failure more muscle fibers are recruited to produce force and this sends a stimulus for the muscle to adapt to the stress.

is caused by the build-up of metabolites in the muscle. This is caused by fatiguing the muscle and happens during higher rep sets with shorter rest times. This is often the goal of intensity techniques such as blood flow restriction, myoreps, or supersets.

 is also mentioned as a cause of hypertrophy, but it's not 

 that the relationship is causal and not just a correlation.

How hard should you train to grow muscle mass?

We now know that the goal of training should be to create muscle tension and metabolic stress through exercise. But this can mean many things, should you work up a light sweat or should each set be taken to post-failure death?

Most people would intuitively think that the harder you work the better gains you make. This naturally leads to the conclusion that you should take everything to failure. This of course has the advantage that you always know when you are done with the set. For many reasons, this isn't very practical. mainly because you are not going to do it. Training to failure is very taxing, both mentally and for your body. It also turns out from 

 that taking a set 1-3 reps from failure gives just as good results as actually going to failure.

We recommend that you do compound lifts at 

 7-9 and rarely visit failure and isolation work at RPE 7-10. In a four-week mesocycle, this could be done by taking sets to RPE 6-7 the first week. Then, in the following week, you increase the RPE by 1 each week until the lifts are at RPE 9-10 the last week.

How many reps should you do to build muscle mass?

How many reps should you do to build muscle mass? In the olden days, people spoke about a hypertrophy rep range, a strength rep range, and so on. However today we know that this isn't a thing. We now know that reps from 1-30 reps or 30%-100% of 1RM can build muscle mass if taken close enough to failure. However, not all rep ranges are equally efficient at building muscle. Since reps in the 1-4 probably come at a stimuli-to-fatigue ratio that isn't favorable to building muscle. We thus recommend that one stay within the 5-30 rep range. Here most training should probably be done in the 5-10 and 10-20 rep range. Since it's hard, to be honest about RPE in a 30-rep set. (Was this muscular failure or was the burn just too much?)

How many reps one should do for an exercise highly depends on the exercise. Some exercises might fit in multiple rep ranges, while others not so much. For example, doing squats or deadlifts usually fits best in the 5-10 rep range, unless one has a particular self-hatred. Usually, these exercises tend to just burn out the lower back at high reps, while maybe not working the muscles one wants to tax very much.

Other exercises, like lateral raises, might not be so great at lower reps. While they might work great at higher reps or done with intensity techniques, such as myoreps. In general compound movements, where heavy weight can be lifted, lower rep ranges work well. While isolation and machines, work better at higher rep ranges.

How often should you train to build muscle mass?

We now know we stimulate muscles and how hard we should train them. But how much should we train and does how often we train matter? A few years ago the answer would have been clear. The gym bro would tell you to train your muscles once a week in a body part split, also known as a bro split. A more sciency person would tell you to at least hit each body part twice a week because something about muscle nucleosynthesis only being elevated for 24-48 hours after working out.

 it turns out that this might not be so true after all. First, it was discovered that thrice a week frequency did not produce better results than twice a week. It has since turned out that training twice a week might not be better than once a week. What turns out to matter is the total weekly volume. So in essence higher frequency will only help your hypertrophy gains, if it allows you to do more volume of a higher quality. But increasing volume and quality also come at a higher fatigue cost. So for the very strong or for larger muscle groups, lower frequency might sometimes be a better choice than higher frequencies.

How many sets should you do to build muscle mass?

How much training volume an individual can take varies widely. Some people might be very sensitive to training and can only handle very little training. This is often people who are big and very strong. While others might be able to tolerate large amounts of volume, often people who are weaker and lighter.

 of where to start would be 10-20 weekly sets per muscle group. Again depending on the individual, the muscle group, and of course RPE, this number could be both much lower and much higher. If a training cycle is done in a more periodized manner. Where one split training up into mesocycles. In the first microcycle, one could start with whatever number of sets it takes to get a pump and some light disruption. Then over the week as one adapts to the volume more sets, reps and weight is added. After a capacity to adapt to training has been reached, usually due to accumulated fatigue, one deloads and starts over.

How to get jacked, so you can crush your enemies

The shoulders are one of the most important body parts when it comes to building a great physique. Especially the side delts help build the v-taper and give the arms that extra oomph. In this article, we will help you with what you need to know to build those boulder shoulders.


The deltoid contains three heads. The anterior in the front, the medial in the middle, and the posterior in the back. They play an important role in both stabilizing and movements of the arms. strengthening the three heads can be helpful for not only aesthetic reasons but also for well-being and performance. On top of this, the shoulder is often an undertrained muscle group.

The front delt is the part of the shoulder that sees the most action and often does not need any isolated training to grow. The reason for this is that both pressing from the chest and shoulder highly utilize the front delt.

The front delt most likely does not need any direct work to be maintained or grow on a program containing a sufficient amount of chest volume and for most people, their maximal recoverable volume is between 12-16 sets/week of direct training sets if one chooses to do so.

Front delts can be trained in both the 5-10, 10-20, and 20-30 rep ranges without problems. Compound presses such as bench presses and shoulder presses likely work best in the lower rep range, while dumbbell work and isolation work can be done in the mid-range. Finally, isolation works can be done for up to 30 reps if someone has the patience for so many reps.

For most people presses from the chest, such as bench press or dumbbell bench press will be enough training to stimulate growth in the front delts and it would be completely reasonable to leave direct front delt training out of a program. However, here is a couple of choice for those who want a little extra for the front delts

The choices for isolation work on the front delts are mainly front raises. The exercises are probably best trained in the 10-20 and 20-30 rep ranges. High-quality movement, tempo, and getting a pump should be the main goal. Progress should most likely focus on increasing reps and only increasing weight when the top of a rep range is reached.

Both the barbell bench press and shoulder press train the front delts very well. They both are likely best used in the 5-10 rep range for the largest possible stimuli. The dumbbell variations of the lifts work just as well but are likely better at higher rep ranges due to their stability demands. Since most programs usually have some kind of benching this is usually enough to train the front dels.